Т.е в Шарик пассажирский 2,1, на таможню, грузовой терминал, в Лобню никто не ездил?Сообщение от Halmabad
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Т.е в Шарик пассажирский 2,1, на таможню, грузовой терминал, в Лобню никто не ездил?
" Когда велосипедист превратился в точку
Голова неожиданно нахмурилась и подсказала мне
Что настроение не всегда бывает отличным! ©
Кстати давайте еще один важный вопрос поднимем)
Кто какие мощномеры пользует и какие расхождния между ними замечены?
Заметили, что 1 минута - самый плохо тренируемый отрезок? Даже в 5 сек разброс шире!
Потому как требует сочетания анаэробных и аэробных качеств...
Не соглашусь.
Скорее, его мало кто целенаправленно тренирует (и тестирует).
Спринты вообще самое легкое, почти не бьют по организму. Длинные отрезки труднее, но терпятся легче. А вот 40-60 сек... да если их делать с полной выкладкой... Они точно самые мучительные, вроде тех самых 400 м у бегунов.
If you think it's faster it may ultimately be faster (J. Portner)
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Это вроде и на 3-5 минутных отрезках также? Но на них такой же широкий разброс значений, как на 20-мин. На отрезке 3-5 мин работа ССС разворачивается и успевает во многом компенсировать метаболизм. В пользу этого говорит также тот интересный факт, что между производительностью на 20 мин и на 5 мин не столь огромная разница (и чем выше тренированность, тем меньше эта разница). В отрезках 1 мин ССС мобилизируется очень поздно и похоже коррекция метаболизма происходит в основном на уровне волокна
у меня пока нету, я в раздумьях и обшариваю сейчас интернет,
но сразу скажу , хорошие модели Кварк, Гармины педали, Повер2тмакс, СРМ, это от 45-50 тыщ цены
Повертапы и Стейдж, повертап это до 10-20 тыщ втулка с компом, а то и 20-30 тыш, у повертапов тут говорят на плохо смазанной цепи ползут вниз показатели, у Стейджэ , это 20-30 тыщ, только левая нога, те. будет 45-55%, и левую ногу удваивает на 2, т.е совсем плохо... а еще к ним нужен приемник - до 10 тыщ можно взять
Я исхожу из того, что минутные интервалы делают не для тренировки 1 мин мощности. Исхожу из того, что коридор 1 мин наиболее узок в сравнении человека нетренированного и наиболее одаренного, "нахимиченного" и натренерованного. То есть ген фактор и тренированность проявляют себя в меньшей степени, чем в чистом 5 сек спринте или тем более 5, 20 мин работе.
Но погоди, если он "плохо тренируемый", то это должно значить как раз обратное — результаты на таком отрезке определяются преимущественно генетикой.
Хотя, опыт трековиков говорит об обратном. Читал на питерском роад.спб, что если очень хочется непременно выполнить норматив КМС, то проще всего это сделать в гите на 1 км.
То, что минутные интервалы делают не для минутной мощности, я знаю
Всё лето упарывался по 40-50 секунд, классические "раздельческие" 2х20 вообще никогда в жизни не делал, но FTP/20 мин растёт, методика работает
If you think it's faster it may ultimately be faster (J. Portner)
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Все показывают примерно одинаково.
Вбирать нужно по цене, долговечности, надежности, сервисо-пригодности, ну и ликвидности как вариант.
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Старенькая статья про тренировки 1км ТТ
Training should be specific for the competition being considered. A common mistake is to look at an event as a single ride, but any event can be broken down into several segments and specific modifications added to your basic program to address the unique needs of each of these segments of the event.
For example "Using the Kilo TT as an example, here is what I am trying to say. The most specific way to prepare for the kilo would be to go out and ride a Kilo every day, or every second day with a day of rest to allow us to adapt to the 'training'. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it!), this would probably become rather boring and that boredom (through the monotony of the training program) may indeed lead to overtraining (Carl Foster,Med. Sci. Sports and Exercise Vol. 30 No. 7 P1164-1168, 1998).
However, if you break the 1000 meter TT into its component parts:
•Start (initial power)
•Acceleration to ~ 250m
•Max Speed 250-750m
•Speed maintenance/endurance 750-1000m
you are able to add specific training for each part of the event i.e.:
•Start:◦starts of varying distance - basically start intervals
◦strength work in gym & on bike
◦bounding (incidentally up hill or up stairs is probably better for bike riders than on the flat as there is more reliance on concentric power as opposed to stored elastic energy or stretch shortening cycle...so therefore more like cycling).
•Acceleration:◦repeated intervals from a slow roll up to point where max speed is attained
We also know that riders get close to VO2max during the last 1/4 of the Kilo so general conditioning on the road which stimulates increased capillarisation, aerobic enzyme activities and increases in central factors (heart size, blood volume, red blood cells etc.) as well as intervals which target VO2max directly are also appropriate.
•Max speed:◦intervals of at least the length of the maximum speed distance of the event
•Speed maintenance:◦intervals of at least the length of the full event
◦several long training rides per week to build endurance
◦repeats of shorter distances with incomplete recoveries (lactate tolerance work).
This parsing or breakdown of an event into its components when developing a training program is often done without specific comment by coaches in many athletic fields. But it is an approach that you can use as you training up for your own personal PR. Think about your event in terms of its major challenge - for a long road ride, it is probably Speed Maintenance segment while an MTB event would include frequent episodes of Acceleration. Appropriate training programs would then include extra days for the relevant major component of the planned event.
This separation into segments is to some degree artifical and these training segments are interrelated. For example, although the final 200m of a one kilometer event is anaerobic (ie a sprint), it is impacted by the training of the aerobic system. A highly developed aerobic engine will delay the time (even by a few seconds) that you will become anaerobic at the end of the kilo, and will minimize lactate levels until late in the ride. Thus a kilo rider, in this example, should train the erobic system to stall the negative effects of accumulated lactate as late into the event as possible. In this was VO2max and aerobic conditioning which improve the lactate threshhold overlap and impact sprint performance. Training only with sprints and failing to include some longer distance rides (longer than the "sprint" event) would leave you performing below your personal best.
But there needs to be balance, and too much compartmentalization in training can have its own negative effects. Andy Reid, also a PhD student in the School of Physical Education at Otago University, notes that training for both swimming and running have progressed over the last few decades from from a purely segmented (or compartmentalized approach with an emphasis on interval training working on one aspect of fitness per session back to a more "integrated" approach.
In one workout an athlete training under this integrated approach will include aspects of sprint training, specific endurance and general endurance. Can we apply this approach to the training of cyclists?? Consider this regimen. Add in at least one day per week of what we'll call "race practice sessions" that give a combination of
•standing sprints (10s) with full recovery
•rolling sprints (10s) full recovery
•easy spinning for 10 mins
•2 to 4 4-5 min (targeting VO2max) intervals with at least 1:1 work:rest
•and finish the session with 20 mins @ AT with a prolonged warm down.
This is probably the optimal order, working on sprints when you are freshest. But as you get closer to your event you can start with the longer stuff and finish with the sprints so that you are sort of mimicking what goes on in a race.
The above are good for the shorter sprint and time trial events, but what about the longer, perhaps multiday events? Chris Carmichael noted that the major breakthrough for Lance Armstrong occured when he stopped focusing his training on his anaerobic system (too many days of sprints/intervals and long rides at close to 100% V02max) and began to train his aerobic system. This allowed him to increase his AT, be "fresher" near the end of the race with less lactate on board, and as a result capitalize on his anaerobic capacity near the end of the race day. An added benefit was less recovery time from lactate build up and a stronger next day on the bike. Training too hard, too many days in a row can be as bad as under training.
Interesting thoughts. Good luck applying them to your program.
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